[NGFP-BookClub] Week Three

[hasanrokem at pluto.mscc.huji.ac.il]

PS to my reply to Claudia Ehret:
The Moroccan tale that I mentioned is titled "The boy who went in  
search of the land where there is no death"...
GHR

Quoting hasanrokem at mscc.huji.ac.il:

> Dear Claudia Ehret,
>
> Thank you for you stimulating and knowledgable response. Indeed,  
> there are many motifs of immortality in most cultural traditions  
> known. And even the ambivalence between a wish for immortality  
> versus the wish for liberation from eternal life as we have noticed  
> in the legend of the Wandering Jew is not only associated with Jews,  
> compare for instance with the legend of the Flying Dutchman  
> (Fliegende Hollender) who has by a number of scholars been  
> fruitfully compared with "our" Ahasverus.
> I have actually encountered the motif of the deer that you mentioned  
> in an orally narrated folktale by a Moroccan Jewish storyteller,  
> Avraham Lugasi, in a tale that I recorded from him and is now among  
> the ca. 25,000 folktales inclded in the Israeli Folktale Archives  
> (IA) at Haifa University, lead by academic head of the archives  
> Professor Haya Bar-Itzhak and administrative director Dr. Idit  
> Pinte-Ginsberg. They will be happy to assist anyone who approaches  
> them for materials within reasonable limits of time. Compare also  
> with the bird picking at a rock as symbol of eternity in one of the  
> famous Tales of Rabbi Nahman.
>
> I wish you and yours and all participants in our exciting exchanges  
> SHANA TOVA,
>
> Galit Hasan-Rokem
>
>      Quoting "Claudia Ehret" <lasse4562003 at yahoo.de>:
>
>> With interesting I read the first three parts of the wandering  
>> Jew.Thank you very much.
>> To answer the 6th question. Wether the legend of Ahaverus nor any  
>> Finnish Wandering Jew tradition were known to me, Therefore I was  
>> very surprised that around me this theme is described, analysed and  
>> used in arts and literature etc. So I learn very much.
>> When I read the part of folktales and games I remember on a russian  
>> tale with also a young wandering  man who wanted to know what  
>> eternity is.And during his wandering he met a deer who was standing  
>> at a high hill and wearing away the hill with his antlers.  The  
>> deer answered, if he had wearing away the whole hill, the  eternity  
>> would be.
>> The theme of wandering is apparently not only the destination of a  
>> Jew but also for the whole humanity. On the other hand if you see  
>> the history of the events of
>> Ahaverus I could also deviate this russian tale from the legend of  
>> wandering Jew. Especially the question about the eternity in view  
>> of the sentence of the figur Jesus :Ahaverus has to wait till  
>> J.will come back ,implies an adaption process of folk narratives.
>> I think legends can be better included in other folktraditions as  
>> far they don´t know really who in this example a Jew is or general  
>> who Jews are. It is an unknown point and perhaps the folk included  
>> the legend in his own level of developement of comprehension of the  
>> world in order to understand. The legend will continue to be a  
>> miracle with all its  assumptions but also an incomprehensible  
>> world will become more comprehensible. Eternity is also an unknown  
>> point and the restless cobler of Jerusalem brings the term eternity  
>> closer to the people, except for the many antisemitic
>> variations. For this theme I have to read more.
>>
>> The wandering Jew is of course already predetermined in the  
>> Tora,Dewarim, parashat Ki Tawo 28,65. It is in this way the  
>> destination of the jewish folk  and has nothing to do really with  
>> Ahaverus. Perhaps a true event was a welcome reason to explain the  
>> characteristic of the jewish people.
>>
>> with inexpert greetings
>> Claudia
>> Shabbat Shalom und Shana Tova
>>
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