[NGFP-BookClub] Fw: Comments on fiirst session of our course

[clarice at seisa.com.br]

Dear all,

 

 

I'm Clarice from Brazil, so please, apologize my English.

 

1) - I believe the ultra-orthodox movement is facing the challenge of the contemporary times with a typical post-modern answer: They claim themselves to have the pure Judaism when their routes are easily tracked on the 18th century, so such purity can only be accepted in our time.

 

2)- I would run from the scene at the airport because I understand that traditional religions have the bases os excludence in their structure, so it would not be nice to be performing it in public, strangers may fell a discomfort - is this a consequence of the Askalá school? To be citizens of the World maybe we should keep our practices in privet and appropriate places.  

 

Thank you all


Clarice Mester 


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  Dear all!

   

  3 

  If Judaism and modernity are perceived as two incompatible lifestyles then we have to choose one of them. Those who perceive them in this way make different choises as to which option should determine their lives and reduce the other "as much as needed", all too often to a "necessary minimum". The other way of resoning is, and for me it is preferable, to view Judaism as an all encompassing culture (nation, religion and so forth) which has its worldview, rules, life styles. The modernity comprises the circumstances in which we live, it is a challenge, but not a per se threat and we don't have an either-or choice. This makes our Judaism less uniform, makes us sometimes walk on less secure paths, but it is a viable option as many traditional and yet modern Jews demonstrate. For me this is the shevil hazahav. It is difficult to say whether the ultraorthodox got it right or wrong. For myself, it would be wrong, but perhaps for them it is right. From the point of view of preserving the Jewish identity they have a clear advantage over those who made the choice towards modernity by reducing the tradition. 

  4 

  Here in Europe my head would automatially and non-intentionally start to rotate: are the goyim looking at them? Something threatening around? What do their expressions on faces say? Perhaps this is an overreaction, but I got it with the mother's milk.  

  5

  Due to their shortness it is almost impossible to choose one of the authors as the most appealing one. The least appealing for me is Brenner as I don't believe that anything a Jew does can be automatically called Judaism, not even in Israel. I do believe that Torah is the basis of Jewish life, the Jews are both a nation and a religion, and a diversity within the traditional Judaism is a normal thing, but I am not sure whether practically speaking I understand this in the same way as the authors.

   

  Luka


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  Von: ngfp-bookclub-bounces at lists.ngfp.org [mailto:ngfp-bookclub-bounces at lists.ngfp.org] Im Auftrag von michael Rosenak
  Betreff: [NGFP-BookClub] Fw: Comments on fiirst session of our course

   (1) Do you think that the ultra-Orthodox "have got it right" or are they running away from the challenge of  "Judaism within modernity"? 

  (2) What is your immediate reaction to groups of Jews gathering together at an airport or other public place in order to pray with a minyan, a quorum of ten men? Why do you react that way?

  (5) Which writer cited in the sources most appeals to you? Why? If you wish to, relate directly to one or more of the sources.

  Tomorrow I will write again with very specific comments on the reponses that have already come in.  It is interesting that all these lengthy comments touch in some way on the concept of "cognitive negotiation" used by the sociologist, Peter Berger. Tomorrow I will try to expand on this concept but also, to examine how you, and others, work at fulfilling both Jewish and a multitude of other human  potentialities.  available in our world. We're geting into an interesting conversation. >From where I am, in Jerusalem, the time has come to say: goodnight. 

  Michael Rosenak



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